# Debate 1 ## Proposition > "carbohydrates cause obesity because they cause starvation." ## Arguments ### Steel Man of Gary's Argument | **Variable** | **Definition** | |:----------------------------------------:|:------------------------------------------ | | **S** | a macronutrient (x) causes starvation | | **N** | a macronutrient (x) increases insulin | | **f** | fat | | **c** | carbs |
P1) A macronutrient causes starvation if and only if a macronutrient increases insulin.
(∀x(Sx↔Nx))
P2)
Fat does not increase insulin, whereas carbs do.
(¬Nf∧Nc)
C)
Therefore, fat does not cause starvation, whereas carbs do.
(∴¬Sf∧Sc)

[Proof Tree](https://www.umsu.de/trees/#(~6x(Sx~4Nx)),(~3Nf~1Nc)|=(~3Sf~1Sc)) ### Gary's Unedited Argument | **Variable** | **Definition** | |:----------------------------------------:|:------------------------------------------ | | **S** | a macronutrient (x) causes starvation | | **N** | a macronutrient (x) increases insulin | | **H** | a macronutrient (x) causes hunger | | **f** | fat | | **c** | carbs |
P1) A macronutrient causes starvation if and only if a macronutrient increases insulin and causes hunger.
(∀x(Sx↔Nx∧Hx))
P2)
A macronutrient causes hunger if and only if a macronutrient increases insulin.
(∀x(Nx↔Hx))
P3)
Fat does not increase insulin, whereas carbs do.
(¬Nf∧Nc)
P4)
Fat does not cause hunger, whereas carbs do.
(¬Hf∧Hc)
C)
Therefore, fat does not cause starvation, whereas carbs do.
(∴¬Sf∧Sc)

[Proof Tree](https://www.umsu.de/trees/#(~6x(Sx~4Nx~1Hx)),(~6x(Nx~4Hx)),(~3Nf~1Nc),(~3Hf~1Hc)|=(~3Sf~1Sc)) ## Analysis 1. What the fuck does it mean to cause starvation? --- ## Hashtags #debate #debate_opponents #clowns #clownery