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# Debate 1
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## Proposition
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>"vegans kill more animals than non-vegans"
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## Clarified Proposition
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>"do you mean more animals die as a result of vegans making consumer choices as opposed to omnivores making consumer choices?"
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## Questions
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1. By this, do you mean more animals die as a result of vegans making consumer choices as opposed to omnivores making consumer choices?
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1. answer: yes
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2. Is this in absolute or relative terms?
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1. answer: relative
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3. What's the evidence that the proposition is true?
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1. Required are empirics showing that more animals die when vegans make vegan consumer choices over omnivorous consumer choices, adjusted/truncated for biofuel and animal ag feed.
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2. Statistics also need to be truncated to account for omnivores making consumer decisions consistent with veganism (such as buying bread).
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## Evidence
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- crop protection and production kills lots of animals
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- there's a worldwide decline in insects and birds (via pesticides and habitat change)
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- compatible with veganism causing fewer deaths in the long run
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- human activity leads to insect and bird deaths in animal ag scenarios too
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- pasture for grass-fed
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- crops for grain-fed
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- none of this is interesting because there are no comparative analyses of consumer choices and their subsequent effects on animal death
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- the only information we know from this is that crop ag kills lots of animals
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- insufficient to make the case that more animals die from vegan, rather than omnivore, choices
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## Questions
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- would alternatives to crop ag
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## Argument
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P1) If you kill off animals to extinction, then ecosystems will break down
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P2) you kill off animals to extinction
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C) therefore, ecosystems will break down
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# Hashtags
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#debate
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#debate_opponents
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#clowns
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#clownery
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